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This also shows that tribalism — Anglo Saxon tribalism is back. China shoukd understand that its security is land based. It cant allow Afghan become American military outpost. At some level, American elite believe that USA could again ascend to the unipolar moment,if it can destroy China.

The counyry will explode from within anyway by that time. I The Devils Whore - Various - Fight stumbled upon this very interesting and very credible short video about a witness who doubts a large aircraft hit the Pentagon:. Did it help? Just like Stockholm Syndrome on steroid. All one needs to pay more attention to is the escalating annual budget for the military and the security apparatus for the past 20 years.

She is a mass murderer. I would also mention the possibility of various intermediate explanations — particularly given the massive Israeli espionage effort underway in the US at the time, and the equally impressive Neo-Con presence in the US government. The Saudis of al Qaeda may have carried out the attack alright — but who knows how much benign cover they got, what nascent investigations were quashed, how much advice was funneled to them via agents within their organization, etc?

After all, those Islamic extremist groups were — and are — infiltrated by Mossad et al. Some hybrid is perfectly possible — and explains a good deal of the more definite evidence. Excellent points all. I suspect Giraldi is tip-toeing his way toward the final story, as are most public figures even willing to touch this story. I agree it was not a disconnected assortment of corrupt figures. It was highly organized. This is like having a murder scene with three bodies, and the official crime scene report completely omits one of the bodies.

Shyam Sunders head of nist wife became vice president of the World Bank, and his daughter became managing director at Black Rock. Some gays have all the luck. The clip of that is on the internet. Whether they rule from the London Banks or Jerusalem or Switzerland is immaterial. They decide, the little guys like Bush obey. The trillions mentioned at the Pentagon in September 10th — and never referred to again — is the giveaway here. The Parasite Regime was not really impressed with the morning body count.

Parasites hate the host, however irrational that might seem. They want us to think that we have to blow up the world to get rid of them. I wonder whether Phil will draw many more comments. Well, aside from that, the whole thing is a non-starter.

They knew the Japanese plans and let it happen on purpose. You see, a LIHOP theory requires you to have a capable enemy in the Pearl Harbor case, that is the Japanese military, obviously that really does have the means, the capability of carrying out the attack.

Again, their only possible role in the plot would be as patsies. Why are you here trying to spread this kind of deliberate disinfo, Mr. We can thank the MSM and the American educational system for that, as they are the two most critical brain washing tools of propagandists, both public and private.

Amateurs guiding two large fast-moving planes to predetermine spots on the buildings is not plausible, even with a beacon. I seem to recall reading that in either or earlyIsraeli agents—possibly Palestinians who collaborated—were stopped in India while on their way to Pakistan. An Indian paper quoted speculation from an official that Israel would try to smuggle their agents into Afghanistan.

Also, Israel intervened to get these Palestinians released. Yeah, the operation was only a partial success for them. One topic missing in this great summary of articles, here at Unz, in my estimation, is the whole anthrax hoax which immediately followed I would think that that part of the operation may still be full of the perpetrator fingerprints.

This is not the case, Dr Giraldi. WTC 7 came down later in the day of September 11, It would have been impossible to do a proper controlled explosion in the time available, if that was the official explanation.

On September 11,the structure was substantially damaged by debris when the nearby North Tower of the World Trade Center collapsed. The debris ignited fires on multiple lower floors of the building, which continued to burn uncontrolled throughout the afternoon. The collapse began when a critical internal column buckled and triggered cascading failure of nearby columns throughout, which was first visible from the exterior with the crumbling of a rooftop penthouse structure at pm.

WTC 7 is the only known steel skyscraper to have collapsed due to uncontrolled fires! The internal column had massive safety margins incorporated into its design. It is completely unbelievable that any fire would have the intensity to buckle it.

Also, Silverstein was facing a massive bill for asbestos replacement in WTC 7. The destruction conveniently solved this problem, and he got massive compensation, rather than paying out massive compensation.

Many people, including the late Donna Summer, complained of health problems, which they blamed on inhaling dust from the WTC blasts. With all those asbestos particles in the air, little wonder. Needless to say, there has been no proper scientific study on this problem. Surprise, surprise. Did any of them give reason to believe that Israel or American neocons were in any way in the loop? Did they provide any substantive evidence that they or their Islamist organisation was involved in this act in any way at all?

As we are reminded here, Bin Laden made the effort to refute the involvement of himself or his organisation in the attacks of Bin Laden and made away with a treasure trove of digitally-stored evidence of his many malefactions.

It was supposed to be an intelligence bonanza. Or was it all just porn? Has anyone booked an interview with him to ask some penetrating questions that enquiring minds would like answered? As things currently stand, all the evidence when put together and assessed in terms of maximal probabilities all point to… one big clown show.

Either that or one large flustercuck, no fries. Only read the other day ardent Zionist A. Krongard was at the CIA as Executive Director at the time, it was his old firm that was linked to the put trades on the airlines. Congratulations PG on some quite Occamish thinking. There was so much information available to the CIA and FBI that did not reach the President in a way that compelled action that I give quite a lot of weight to the view that the prospect of a few hijackings and crashes that could be blamed on the Arabs would look very attractive to some highly placed neocons.

Absolutely no need to blow up the buildings at enormous risk. Remember ? With the bomb in mind the terrorism premium could have been a perfectly sensible commercial decision that needed no prompting. Getting America embroiled in Afghanistan, as it had been in Vietnam was a big win. I know of no reason to suppose he had a hands on role after someone began to use bin Laden money to get the enterprise under way.

If Mossad was topping it up when there was a shortage of cash from ObL or other Saudis then ObL being largely hands off is even better explained. You will have noted, no doubt, that planning the demolition of WTC 7 completely spoils the conspiracy theory. MUST……… be hit with a plane each. If no plane hits, then no collapse can occur, leaving hundreds of tons of thermite to be discovered later by Mr Plod.

No rational planner would leave this absolute necessity to putatively incompetent Arab hijackers, who would not only have to carry out each hijack successfully but also successfully pilot the planes into the buildings at speeds greater than the nominal maximum velocities. Certainly, a controlled demo. Ninety nine percent sure the jews did with our govt.

Go in during routine maintenance, plant your charges and wait until everything is in place and then execute the plan.

As far as the Arabs were concerned, they only were in on it to fly the planes into the buildings building 7 is key to all of this and be the fall guys. The reason was to allow US to invade Iraq, Afghanistan and now Syria to keep the Mideast unstable and unable to concentrate on bringing down israel.

Very much like what the South Africans did, they destabilized the surrounding black nations with civil war and the SA govt.

The only reason White SA lost was our sanctions putt on them. Why would anyone put explosives in the towers when they plan to fly planes into them? Too busy projecting fantasies of moustache twirling neocons and Mossad agents. Those who point to the Jews as the masterminds of all evil in the world are delusional.

After sifting through missing-persons reports filed in the wake of the Sept. But other factors might skew the results. For instance, Cantor Fitzgerald, the bond trading firm on the upper floors of the World Trade Center that lost some workers Sept.

At the Pentagon, a rabbi who helped recover bodies estimated that 30 to 40 Jews were among the killed there.

The same rabbi, Menachem Youlis, also confirmed four Jewish fatalities on American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that hit the Pentagon. Four Israelis were killed. The Israelis would have had no motive to carry out the attack in any event as the Kingdom was very much dependent on American support to survive in its current autocratic…err, any form. The Top Jews have no qualm about little Jews. That is the way it works. War criminal and arguably the architect of the whole September 11th shebang.

Very Simple: They could be on shit list of Lukud Party. How can you prove that those were Israeli. Remember HoloHox. You guys made it and people believed it in the beginning. Thanks to the internet and collapse of USSR more information is available. People can see themselves, Eli Wiesel Auschwitz the super start without any Tattoos where is the beef.

No mention of gas chambers in his first book and then he remembered and put it in 2nd edition years later. Israeli Intelligence cannot pull out such big operation without orders and support from Master of the Universe.

It could have been a Manhattan Project. Fifty thousands people were inovolved from the diggers of the soil to the transport crews bringing cements to the top 7- 8 scientists but only few at the top knew what to be produced.

Were Hijackers blackmailed? They were pretty party type smocching and cavorting with prostitutes. Were Saudi contacts duped into thinking that the plan involved hijacking and threats until certain demands were met?

Where are you hiding? I am waiting for your answer on the Rabbi who won the debate with God Talmud. Can you post some information about the genius. And above all what was the debate all about.

Killing innocent Palestinians no Jews and grabbing their land?. Since the Rabbi convinced God so the Israeli a have a blank check for their inhuman actions. This is delusion on stilts. If there is a Master of the Universe, who is he? How did he become Master of the Universe? Is he a Jew or is he just manipulating them? Absurd questions but to some commenting here they make perfect sense. An plane crashing into a reinforced steel concrete building could never have caused such a complete devastating damage, practically pulverising the building.

Planes have been flying into high rise buildings before, such the Empire State Building by a B25 bomber in and was open for business again the following week. Same happened in Milan, the Pirelli building which did not come down. All the three WTC buildings were blown up with pre-wired explosives.

There is no other explanation. If so they may have been loaded with explosives, remote controlled etc. All the pictures we have seen so far never showed the planes colours and markings, which must have been seen by many people on the ground. A low flying plane makes a hell of a noise and must have made people look up in the sky. There does not exist any evidence of this. How better to explain their arrogant disdain for all other humans? The basic government approved narrative goes like this: […] Building 7, which was not struck by a plane, caught fire from the falling debris from the nearby World Trade Center towers and the flames spread to such an extent that it had to be demolished to prevent endangering other adjacent buildings.

Um, that is NOT the basic government approved narrative. The government approved narrative does not include any deliberate demolition of Building 7, which would have been impossible to do, anyway. You, Mr. Thus, history disappears. I have lived to see a major event converted into fable right before my very eyes.

The Empire State Building was of a completely different design than the twin towers. The aircraft that hit the building, a B, was also much, much lighter than the Boeing aircraft that hit the twin towers. The upper stories of the twin towers were not properly fireproofed. Part of the structure was a curtain wall supported by a series of small steel members that could be easily penetrated by an aircraft heavy with fuel for a transcontinental flight. The weight of the aircraft, overpounds, had more than sufficient momentum to allow the aircraft to penetrate And Live (File outer curtain wall of the towers.

Once the story where the aircraft hit collapsed on the side of the strike, the buildings came down because of the increased stress on the next story below.

Thus the domino effect as seen in the video showing the collapse. The twin towers did not collapse into their own footprint. NYC has two major airports and aircraft are very often seen above the city. Having lived near both commercial airports and busy Air Force bases, those noises simply become part of the background of every day life. The claim the twin towers were brought down by explosives does not match what is seen in the videos showing the collapse.

This is the first time I have read this anywhere and that goes to show you that how deeply the MSM is embedded with the Deep State, whatever that is! Something I rarely see discussed, here or elsewhere, is WTC6, an adjacent building which suffered some extreme and very strange damage.

It seems the building blew up! This story is rag eared. Who faked the Penn crash? Who hit Pentagon with cruise missile? Who stopped Military defense? We know Who. It was Billionaires above High-Command who ordered it.

Petty military and political henchmen who perpetrated it. They got away with it. Now CovidCon. The enemy is US. Divide and destroy, They are experts. Putin stands up to billionaires. POTUS never will. You were a DO panjandrum. How well did you know Blee? Was he a neocon? He looks more like a standard dynastic CIA ultra to me.

He got his job because his daddy purged Angleton, purported Jew State traitor. He delegated his torture tasking to Uzbekistan, not Izzies. Calling these guys neocons is PBS Frontline level pap. On December 1st,a remote controlled 4 engined transport jet took off from Edwards AFB, CA and crashed into a barren patch of nearby desert. Congress aka the lower house of the knesset knows who really did it but are scared to death to say anything and every thinking America knows the truth, Israel and The Project For a New American Century are the elephant in the room.

I have sometimes wondered about this myself. The answer is that just flying planes into buildings was judged to be not spectacular enough to produce the desired propaganda effect. Not enough people would have died, the simple enough repairs to the towers would ease the psychological damage to the American cattle too quickly.

Collapsing the towers creates the mega-spectacular century-defining effect, an entire city block destroyed, and also on the side gets rid of the asbestos replacement problem. Lucky Larry must have thought all his birthdays had come at once when he was made this particular clandestine offer. Consider the crash into the Pentagon, just some minor damage to one or two of the rings and a hundred or so dead.

What would have been the propaganda effect if the entire Pentagon had disappeared into a pile of rubble and several thousand officers died? A great deal more but of course the generals would not have allowed that into the plan. See Comment 19, above. All US senior rank govt personnel are guilty of either planning assisting or carrying out the attack on behalf of Israel, or of continuing to block an honest enquiry.

Their guilt extends to this very day. None of your so-called government is worthy of any respect, Americans. Quite the exact opposite in fact. That precedent has been followed ever since. William L. Pierce spelled it out brilliantly in this piece. Horrifyingly, it was 20 years ago.

A lot more serious damage has been done since then and it is now more than apparent. Good points. Israeli sources themselves estimate as many as one million Israeli passport holders reside in the US, which only a fool would imagine are not either active or sleeper espionage agents. That is not the official WTC 7 story. The official story is that it fell due to fire which warped a beam to the point it slipped and the whole building came down.

What you said was a better cover story, butbit is not their cover story and I think you ought to know. There is one interesting and horrific aspects of the attacks that is rarely discussed.

There were over 1, people where not a single trace of Survive was ever found; the bone fragments of some were found on the roof tops of adjacent buildings. The extreme heat beneath ground zero burned for over 3 months. This was obviously extreme overkill on the part of the perpetrators, but did this all have some sort of cabalistic meaning. Well, from out vantage point it was a terror attack, but from the point of view of the perpetrators it was a sacrificial rite. It is a religious rite where an animal, often a goat, is completely consumed by fire.

Instead of an animal, people played the role of the sacrificial lamb. It brought one age to an end and ushered in a new one. Each and every one of us, using our Grade 1 common sense knows that the official version is bullshit. To this basic belief we add our own observations, the floors are X feet thick, the supporting beams need Y temperature to melt, the building did not buckle it fell etc etc.

No need for a geiger counter — they named it ground Zero — which automatically says its a point where a nuclear explosion took place.

But there it stood with a few smoldering fires luckily providing the excuse. Something had to be done. Building 7, which most Americans have never heard of thanks to the cover up by Fox News and the MSM, was demoed at in the afternoon, 20 minutes after Jane Standley of the BBC announced its collapse while the building was seen over her left shoulder still standing.

This delayed demo was probably the result of the modified, passengerless jetliner having to be shot down over the woods near Shanksville during the morning once it began responding erratically to remote control and could not be redirected to its intended target, Building 7.

Honestly, I do not know. You simply got that wrong, and this childish entitlement of yours is quite amusing. The problem with not buying — partially or completely — Official Explanations is, skeptics almost always fall in the trap of speculating why or how this or that happened.

This undermines their credibility, for they cannot prove any of it. But really, we should just stop doing that. It is not necessary.

If the story he tells me is inconsistent enough, and his behaviour has raised enough red flags, I will just cut him short, stop trusting him and will recommend people I care about to do the same. It is like one of those laughably bad Hollywood movies. It is like something clicks in my brain: once it clicks, I will need very good explanations and arguments to go back into buying mode.

The USG should at least go full transparency Survive. I wont be holding my breath. Yeah, too laughable, not buying it. At least not everything. To my amazement, so many people not only do buy into it completely, but they go on to ridicule, insult and shun anyone who sensibly does not buy into the obvious fairy tale.

It is fascinating. Something as carefully planned and executed was a long time in the making. Only a state with its resources could provide secure training like that. Professionals taught them. A lot of Saudis flew out in the days after with US govt help. The whole thing is rotten top to bottom. I thought the official narrative was that it collapsed from the fires on some floors. Certainly more than some hours, especially when there are some fires going on.

Trillions diverted from the treasury, Homeland Security comes out of a drawer, spying and propaganda as never before. Who benefits? Destroying the evidence, as you point out? That in and of itself implicates the entire policing and oversight apparatus of the Federal Government, which is paid to investigate and prosecute crimes against the American people.

Why did it stand down? The Feds say so. People, we are living under ZOG. Moses did nothing wrong. Jesus Christ did nothing wrong. Germany did nothing wrong. Except in the warped psychopath brains of Jews and their stooges. No planes were used! Actually you are correct. Those were drones in the shape of planes Manufactured in Israel.

The plane strikes were not a guaranteed kill of the towers. About the War Profiteer history: JWalters, 2 good as far as it goes, but does not go back far enough. And their entry into US esp. It was certainly manipulated, the result of cunning and conniving. Most of its personnel are ex-Shin Bet officers. But the idea that an Israeli owned company had inside access to the airport used to launch an abortive terror attack brought to mind the strange message Odigo Systems, another Israeli owned company with offices near the World Trade Towers, received that warned of the impending attacks before the hijacked planes had even left the ground.

Then there was the story of crotch-bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who was allowed to board Northwest flight from Amsterdam on Christmas Day And again, gate security that allowed him to pass was ICTS! Even prior togetting a gun on board a passenger plane represented a serious lapse of security.

I wondered why this story of a gun was being concealed behind talk of box cutters and screwdrivers. Then I went back to the first article and its mention that ICTS handled security at Logan International Airport, from which two of the hijacked planes had departed.

It has been suggested that the incredible feat of hijacking four aircraft without a single arrest at the gate would require the resources of a nation-state. This is even more true with the revelation that at least one gun had managed to be aboard a hijacked plane. One company had automatic inside access to all of the airports from which hijacked planes departed onand to the airports used by Richard Reid, the shoe bomber. An Israeli company. One that Mossad agents could easily find employment with without the management knowing who they were or what their purpose really was.

But one thing is clear. By virtue of the Odigo warning, someone knew enough about the planned attacks to warn Odigo before the planes had even departed the airport gates, yet they did not call the Israeli security company at the airports which could have stopped the flights from leaving. Talk about not being available for deposition! Hence, in the face of an institutional cover-up, citizens were denied the possibility of a discovery process which is normally afforded to litigants.

I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. You just have to keep them straight in your line of vision all them time. All is laid bare. They were there to conduct the final stage of Drone control. The plane that is claimed to be shut down was also a Drone without people.

It was not shut down, Most probably the remote control did jam. There were no human remains and luggage, Like in that plane shot down in Ukraine. The planes were remotely controlled, just like drones. Once the planes took off, the controls were hijacked and remotely controlled and anything the pilot did had zero effect. The hijackers could not be the pilots, they were too inept and unreliable. The planes had to be remotely controlled.

Today that perfidious bitch is finally being repudiated for the lap dog of Zion that her whole family is. After all Bush and Cheiny were not absolutely cynical.

They did not want to be directly responsible for American death. There were little direct American casualties. The two thousand were policeman and firemen running into the towers. But I am not trying to diminish the US administration guilt. Her writing is a detailed, precise but scorching indictment of the depth of rot and corruption in the Department of Justice and the FBI.

I understand her husband has recently been diagnosed with a degenerative illness. And how convenient is that for Alsheimer Joe and company …. And your fearless Media. A shambolic laughing-stock corrupt shit-show from the top down. All at the service of Tel Aviv. Dunno though. I know flying. The American people, like most others are a simple and decent lot.

Even if they can accept that a child molester might do unspeakable things, and even murder and child, the idea that the people trusted and paid and empowered to protect that child, would be the very ones to perpetrate atrocities upon him or her, is beyond what normal humans are willing to accept, lest their world become unglued, and with it, the foundations of their psychological stability.

MP3) lurks down that rabbit hole, and woe be to those peer too deeply into it. As is happening to the entire Western and much of the Muslim world as I write this. The FBI is one of dozens of agencies that must be defunded, or worst case scenario. What they did to Trump, Roger Stone, Pappadoupolus, US Girls Gymnastics team and thousands of other victims from incompetence and abuse of power is despicable.

MANY of the people involved are dead, but many are alive. Several years ago, the author of this essay organized several Unzites to meet with them at Arlington Cemetery, where we met survivors and relatives of the deceased members of the USS Liberty.

Just coincidentally: as this blogger recorded, TruNews were quite possibly the only news outlet to have been on the steps of the Capitol. In the melee Matt Scow [sic] was separated from Edward Szall and swept by the vortex into the building. At one of the three Stop the Steal rallies, the opening act was a rabbi, dressed in street clothes, who led a prayer in Hebrew that referred to the Jewish conquest of Jericho, then directed the sounding of two shofars; in Hebrew scripture, sounding the shofar is the signal for completion of the Hebrew conquest of Jericho.

I was watching C Span as that event was live-streamed; C Span showed the sounding of the shofars. But C Span has erased that segment from its archive. Mike Flynn spoke at that particular Stop the Steal rally. I heard him say this. Michael the Archangel Defend us in battle, Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil.

May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, And do thou, oh prince of the heavenly host Cast into hell satan and the other evil spirits Who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of sinners and souls. On some psychotic level, they want the world to know who really pulls the strings. From the Wiki:. A conspiracy theory is not the same as a conspiracy; instead, it refers to a hypothesized conspiracy with specific characteristics….

Technology and expertise are always restricted and reserved for the military. I believe that commercial airliners can be and even on were remotely controlled. No planes were used, holograms of planes were used, and faked videos of planes showing the nose of planes exiting the towers, John Lear said the planes theory was impossible, and Lear was a pilot the plane theory was a diversion.

The pentagram was an internally wire demolition, see April Gallops interviews on youtube, she was working at the pentagram on and walked out through the hole, and never saw any plane or missile parts. Carroll Quigley, an internationalist insider historian who somehow cultivated a reputation as a bit of a maverick, wrote:. Both the Germans and the Russians had the date of D-Day, but ignored it. If this is true of sophisticated but conformist thinking intelligence analysts, how much more true must it be for the general population, whose modest ratiocinative faculties are fried by the insidious Kultursmog of CNN and MSNBC?

His right hand man quit and has a weekly podcast right here on UNZ. If Donald Trump had any guts he would have appointed a dozen special prosecutors and ordered an initial investigation. If the putative objective of the cabal was the invasion of Afghanistan, yes. Master of the universe simply means the powerful. You should be able to guess.

No it is not Israeli or Zionists. They can not be master, however hyena of society. Always live in a pack. Inner or inter breed. And make lot of noise. Pepe Escobar uses Master of Universe frequently in his writing. Don't any of you think? Don't any of you obey 2 Timothy and study to rightly divide the word of truth? Do you have any plans to some day study the Bible instead of being spoon fed anti-gay idiocy?

Anyone, anyone? No Compromise writes: I do not want to offend. I am not the judge, however God is. His word is true and clear.

We like to twist the truth to meet our specific needs. The word of God does not conform to us, we must conform to it. No matter what the sin is heterosexual, homosexual, sexual immorality of any kind Christ suffered and died for all kinds.

If you are living a gay lifestyle and do not repent from that sin, but make it out to be normal and just in God's eyes, you will be sadly mistaken when you stand in front of Jesus on your judgment day.

As a human, you will always sin, that is our nature. As a follower of Jesus, you no longer long for the sin, but despise it for you know the great price he paid so you would not have to suffer the second death. As for people who claim they were born gay and they did not have a choice; that is not true. I may have been born with a mind for stealing or violence, but I choose to act on them. I pray that all who are struggling with their sin go to God and talk with him.

Stop listening to all of us who are commenting for your guidance, but ask God to open your eyes. Feb 17, Point out specifically where the Bible says it's okay to be gay by: Tommy Rick, I think that it goes on a matter of opinion,you choose to interpret the Bible as you see it and others are giving their opinion, they dont like yours,some agree and some dont, there is always the chance you are wrong and misinterpreting the bible yourslef because you DO want to justify homosexuality, would you admit it?

I do beleive homosexuality is a sin as well as all sins and for our sins and we will all go to hell if we dont repent. I do ask you to point out specifically where the Bible says that its ok and any scripture that says its ok and NOT a sin. You cannot point out specifically in scripture where heterosexuals ever got married in a church building in a ceremony officiated by a denominationally affiliated pastor or where they exchanged wedding rings or where someone threw rice at them.

You cannot point out specifically in scripture where churches like the Southern Baptists funded their pastor's retirement by investing in the stock market. Can you point me to specific verses where it is okay for pastors, elders, deacons and church members to get divorced and remarried and divorced and remarried again and still lead the church? Can you show me specifically in the Bible where any church had electricity or air conditioning?

Why do you feel it is okay to apply that kind of goofy illogic to us yet you would never apply the same illogic to yourself? Feb 18, Also by: Tommy Tommy wrote: So you can sidestep the question, can you show the scriptures or can you?

I can say your way of thinking is goofy as well but it still doesnt answer the question, can you or not? Rick's answer: Tommy, I think it's funny that you feel the need to play gotcha. I note that you feel no need to apply that logic to your life AND you didn't answer any of my questions. That's about par for the course. Tommy again: If I was a person too that wanted to know that whether I was doing something wrong according to God such as things like adultery for example, Id want to see where it is that says that and quit it and get my life right,now,if I was a person that enjoyed adultery Im going to fight tooth and nail to find things that say its ok,such as so and so had many wives so its ok for me too.

Rick answer: I agree with you that it's not wise to jump off a cliff and I agree that we should go with what the Bible says, in context.

Feb 18, There's not anything that says it's okay by: Tommy I answered the question, but you never did either, so touche',the answer is theres not anything that says its ok. I wouldnt want to tell my brothers and sisters which includes you, that its ok to murder when the Bible says tho shalt not kill.

It refers to women dressing like men to worship false gods. That's not the opinion of a gay man. That is what many conservative anti-gay Bible commentators say. Feb 20, Just tell the truth by: tim I would that you could see my heart in this matter.

I want to see the lost saved so let us take a closer look at this together is sex between two men or two women sin! Why would a preacher constantly make anti-gay remarks? Rick's answer: Tim, I'm not going to let you quote those verses out of context and then use the out of context verses to condemn. You are being dishonest in the way you handle the scriptures.

If you are sincerely interested in God's truth, I encourage you to please click on the Links and allow God's Holy Spirit to teach you. Many thanks! The standard of proof you seek is impossible for anyone to meet. For example, can you show me proof that Americans go to heaven? No verse in the Bible says that. Can you show me proof that convicted felons go to heaven? Can you show me proof that gays go to heaven? No verse in the Bible specifically says that.

However, the Bible does clearly say that saved people have eternal life and go to heaven: JohnJohnJohnRomans1 John So the right question to ask is: Am I saved? If you are saved, you are going to heaven regardless if you are American or a convicted felon or gay.

Many people grew up in church and consider themselves Christian but in reality they have never been saved. They are cultural Christiansmeaning they grew up in a culture that considers itself Christian.

There is a huge difference between being a cultural Christian and being a genuine born again Christian in the Biblical sense. Why do so many young people quit church? Because they've never been saved. They are only cultural Christians. Feb 22, Answers are available, Part 2 by: Rick Brentlinger As far as the proof you requested, this website has more than pages of in depth information proving that the clobber passages are taken out of context and then mis-applied to gays and lesbians.

I encourage you to also ask the same tough questions to Christians who condemn you for being gay. Ask them for proof that they are interpreting the clobber passages in context and that those passages several thousand years ago were addressing the problem of gay partnerships, not temple prostitution. And please understand, the only way you will know if they're giving you an honest in context answer is if you personally study this issue for yourself.

The bottom line - It is your responsibility to study. No one but the Holy Spirit can set your mind at ease on this issue. Until you read and study and put in the time and effort to learn the truth about the clobber passages for yourself, you will not have peace on this issue. The ball is in your court, the responsibility to study is yours. How do you answer the verse that says homosexuals will not go to heaven? Does 1 Cor mean I can't be gay and Christian?

If you're a gay Christian does God still love you? How do I answer verses which seem to condemn gays? Sodom - Genesis Read this in the KJV Bible.

This one is too long to post the whole story, but to sum it up God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuals and other sins. On the off-chance that you are interested in God's truth, please click on the Links and educate yourself. ON Cross-Dressing : Deuteronomy "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

However, no man can imagine the pain of child birth or a monthly period or going through menopause. So, guys let the women have thier things back and stop cross dressing. It is kind of insulting to pass yourself off as a woman when you have no idea what being a woman means. Just as a woman has no idea of what being a man means. The bible goes as far to not only call this a sin but an abomination.

You can not pick and choose parts of the bible to believe in. Ther is no such thing as a homosexual Christians. Now you may believe in a god that is simular to the LORD in some ways that doesn't care if you are gay or not, but you aren't a Christian. A Christian believes AND follows the written word. Anyone can believe in GOD, but that doesn't make you are a Christian.

But to say you are a Christian is incorrect. Your religion is different from Christianity and should be under a different name. So, you can't be Christian, but rather something else. Rick's answer: No, you are making false accusations based on your own ignorance of scripture, rightly divided, 2 Tim Mar 02, Sodom and Gamorah by: Anonymous If you believe that homosexual is not a sin how do you explain what God did to the city of Sodom and Gamorrah?

He calls it an abomination. Those who go to Him and repent of their sins must turn away from their sin. To say homosexuality is godily is like saying a person addicted to porn can go to God say I am sorry forgive me, but still do it. Their excuse can be, "i was programmed this way. Rick's answer: If you are sincerely interested in truth, please watch this video and read this page about Sodom. Many thanks for your interest. Mar 09, Homosexuality and demons?

We've delivered many people from homosexual spirits. I myself was delivered of a cocaine spirit, lust and pride. I've seen hundreds of people delivered of different spirits, and it all started with my wife's deliverance Mar 10, Beware of deliverance ministries by: Rick Brentlinger Have you prayerfully considered the fact that you are the ones who are deceived by the devil?

If not, I encourage you to consider that very real possibility. Asserting that gays are demon possessed and need to be delivered via exorcism through someone's deliverance ministry is not only unscriptural, it is insulting. I will not publish your deliverance ministry speculations because doing so would only cause confusion in the body of Christ.

Wise Christians will use spiritual discernment whenever anyone suggests they need a deliverance ministry to cast out demons. Are deliverance ministries scriptural? You may be surprised at our rock-solid answer which is faithful to the Bible in context, 2 Timothy They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. It is such a bad sin that God required the Jews to kill all homosexuals in their culture! If you think oh well that just applied to the Jews then that is like saying that Deuteronomy means that being stubborn and rebellious isn't a din because people don't stone their children anymore.

The Bible is not a grocery store! You cannot pick want you want to believe in it and forget the other stuff. If you want to be a Christian then you have to believe everything in the Bible. Mar 16, Wow Bryan! Hate much? Before you answer, please read what Jesus said in Matthew I'm not sure how many we'll have to stone but if it's going to take all day, please let us know so we can pack a lunch.

Mar 18, Is homosexuality a sin? Adultary which Rick rightfully pointed out is just as sinful as homosexuality, theft, fornication etc. They are all sin, and all carry the death sentence Rom The question is, are we living in a repented state? Psalm clearly shows us that our sin is seperated as far east is from west.

We need to repent! People that have committed adultary or any other sin need to repent of it, and they are forgiven. Our Father in heaven forgives us! The problem here is that homosexuals are not repenting, instead, choosing to live in sin. Rick, let me ask you. Do you see homosexuality as a sin? Mar 18, Being gay is not like murder by: Rick Brentlinger Bryan, as you grow spiritually, I hope you will rethink your logical fallacies and dump your prejudice against your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.

Being gay is not like being a murderer. That you think it is reveals the shallowness of your thinking. Being gay simply means that we are emotionally spiritually sexually attracted to the same sex as you are emotionally spiritually sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Comparing it to being a murderer is illogical, thoughtless, unkind, shallow and far from reality.

Salvation and forgiveness of sins in the Bible is never based on changing one's sexual orientation. Mar 18, No kiddo, being gay is not a sin by: Rick Brentlinger Anonymous - I believe you are a bit confused, perhaps because you are a young Christian or perhaps because you haven't studied much.

It will be helpful if you study what repentance means in the Bible and what the Bible considers to be sin. I do not understand why you feel free to condemn an entire group of people by saying, "The problem here is that homosexuals are not repenting, instead, choosing to live in sin. To answer your question: No, I do not see homosexuality as a sin. I challenge you to provide Bible verses, which, in context, say that homosexuality is a sin.

The key point is, in context. If you trot out the clobber passages which in context, are ALL dealing with temple prostitution, then you will have demonstrated that you have no scripture to support your opinion. At that point, you will face the decision: Do I continue to believe a lie or do I repent and start loving my gay brothers and lesbian sisters just as God made them?

Mar 21, A loving God by: Anonymous I am not saying that homosexuality is right but I am saying this; Homosexuality is a sin just like any other and is treated just like any other. Gay people have no more of a chance of going to hell as any other sinner. What keeps you from going to hell is simply, plainly, and only your belief and love for Jesus Christ.

I'll also say this, if a gay person professes their belief and love for Jesus Christ and is still sent to hell than that goes against everything that God says.

God is not going to let one of his children that loves him be trapped in hell forever simply because they are homosexual. They have sinned just like God said they would. And if he does send them to hell than he's not the loving God he claims to be. I'm not going to try and twist God's word to make homosexuality sound like it's not such a bad thing, but I'm never going to tell a homosexual that they're not going to heaven simply because of their sexuality.

I believe and profess my love for God and Jesus Christ and therefore will spend the rest of eternity in Heaven with them. Mar 23, Jewish Law is not Christian Law by: Amused I am kind of shocked that no one has seemed to tackle the obvious problem with homosexuality or even cross dressing or wearing mixed fibers or eating shellfish being a sin or more correctly, an abomination. That being that all of these examples are from The Torah.

The sacrifice of the Christ on the cross is supposed to be an end to Jewish Law. If you are a Christian you can't point to Leviticus and say "see, God said so!

Jesus gave only two commandments, love God, and love people some say the 10 commandments fall under these two but I'm not convinced. Now naturally if your only "law" is to love, then you are not going to do anything to hurt or besmirch God or people and while it is very simple it also can cover a great many ethical concerns. Homosexuality, cross-dressing, eating pork, etc. Jewish Laws were utilized to distinguish and seperate themselves from their Pagan neighbours, they were not eternal moral dictates.

Of course, if you are a Christian, not being bound by Jewish Law due to Christ's sacrifice, you are even further distanced from it because there is no need to distinguish yourself from any nation since Christ's sacrifice is a universal one and unconditional. It would be really nice if people actually read their Bible as opposed to parroting a few hateful parts and regurgitating badly tranlsated versions.

Study, learn! I mean, I know you call yourselves sheep and all, but don't act like it. Oh and btw Deal with it and stop the hate. Mar 23, to rick by: bob You are telling others not to twist the bible to further their own beliefs but you are doing that with all of your answers.

Homosexuality is a sin that is a fact. No matter how much you wish it wasn't you can't change truth. You can ask Jesus to forgive your sins and go to heaven but if you ask him to forgive your sin of homosexuality then go and commit homosexuality again then you are pretty much spitting in his face. Mar 23, Still can't make a scriptural case, can you Bob?

So you rip verses out of context to "prove" your opinion and then accuse me of twisting scripture. We're on to you Bob. You won't be able to get that past God at the judgment seat of Christ.

Mar 27, Confused by: Anonymous Confused writes: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Rick's answer: Please check out my shrine prostitutes page and notice that even virulently anti-gay Christians like John MacArthur and Robert Gagnon, admit that the context of Lev and is cult, temple, shrine prostitutes.

Confused writes: You be the judge, but remember "judge not less ye be judged" and there is human judgement and there is God's judgement. Mar 29, Demons or faith? It is certainly possible for an unsaved person to be demon possessed. Did your uncle get biblically saved?

The Bible says nothing which leads us to believe there is a demon of homosexuality. It may be helpful to carefully read Are deliverance ministries scriptural?

About whether or not changing one's orientation is possible, Exodus Internationalthe largest change ministry in the world, admits that orientation change is virtually impossible. Bibi writes: I was reading and it cought my attention that the couple up the page said its a demon and you can be deliverd?

I saw something that i do think was that. He doesnt go to church and it was his 3rd time visiting. The pastor prayed for him and he just sat down and didnt move or cry any more.

He says something happend that day and cant explain it. He says he now lives happier, feels diffrent in every way in his life. He now has a girlfriend. If they let God do that change inside of them like my uncle did. Alot of things may not be in scripture and we may not understand but when God works in his way and people let him work things do happend. So can any one explain to me how was that possible alot of you say you cant change? I love him to death. Apr 16, Jesus loves you - it's often hard to put him first by: Anonymous I want to say that I am sorry to those who have been hurt and damaged with harsh thoughtless and insensitive unloving comments.

Whoever you are, what ever your orientation Jesus loves you, don't let anyone tell you otherwise! No one is perfect but God. You are special, you are loved and God want you to be a part of "His" family.

I do not understand many issues, I can not imagine how it must feel to be told you are going to hell, especially if you love and believe in Jesus. I can only go from personal experience of my own relationships; I have been in relationships that in my heart and head I always knew were wrong, they just didn't feel right in my faith.

In the end I ended the relationships, which was always painful but I knew it was the right thing to do.

Now I know the person I am with now is meant to be. I have found that being a true Christian means you have to be willing to put Jesus first before everything, including who we get involved with in relationships - this is VERY hard - we may feel like the living sacrifices that the Bible talks about.

Life is not always about God giving us an easy route or what we want. Being a Christian is about sacrifice and love. So I say to those who are struggling or wondering about relationships and faith - let Jesus guide you. I always pray the prayer "Your will be done, not mine. This is what happened to me on several occasions. In the end Jesus knows what is best for you, He is totally in love with you and wants you to be blessed too.

Always put Jesus first before every relationship. I have not included my orientation as I do not wish to categorize people or cloud judgements - I am just sharing some of my experiences as a Christian with you. May God Bless you. Apr 17, Sex with angels? Apr 18, U disgust me by: Anonymous U gay sodomites, u disgust me, fact of the matter is that u cant be gay and be a christian. So u will go to hell unless u stop being gay. Eaither u will find out that I was right about what the bible sayd in heaven or hell.

Rick's comment: I'm assuming you had to crawl out from under your rock so you could find free wifi to post that. Hope the sunlight hasn't been too distressing for you. Apr 18, Homosexuality is a sin, God calls it an abomination! It is against His creation. Yes, He loves you and so do I with the love of Christ, Rick's comment: Well which is it sweetie, do we disgust you as you wrote in your first comment or do you love us? Maybe you're giving us a twofer - 1. Rick's comment: So you're only making these comments because you care so much about justice?

Don't you care about truth? Do you love us enough to obey 2 Tim ? Now I know that this comment probably won't change your mind, only God and the love of Jesus Christ can bring conviction upon you for this, like he does with me daily. We have to continually seek guidance and wisdom so we don't fall into sin. Satan will always tempt us, but we have to choose to turn away from the temptation just our lord Jesus did and he turned from sin as a man, a human just as we are, so that is the hope.

He proved that we can resist the devil just as he did as long as we walk with the Father just as he did. Apr 18, BTW I didn't write "you disgust me" by: Anonymous I didn't write that comment about you disgusting me that was someone else.

You are not a very nice person. You assume a lot. My name is Letitia and I did not write that horrible post above mine I suppose one of my other posts didn't make it on there. Rick's comment: Letitia, sorry for thinking you The Devils Whore - Various - Fight the, you disgust me post. When people post Anonymously, I have no way to tell who is who. I didn't post your other comments because they are long and off-topic.

Apr 18, Homosexuality is a sin, God calls it an abomination by: Anonymous My other posts were very much on topic and by not posting my 2 comment you cut off my defining of the last part of the first post. My post were the truth, which you seem to beg everyone for.

As for not knowing who I was it should have been obvious in the difference in the way I write and the way the other anonymous person writes. I really wish you wouldn't withhold the truth in what I wrote. It's definite truth because I used the word of God and for you to call me ignorant on the first post when I used scripture makes me wonder if you think God is ignorant because those are his words on paper.

Rick's comment: Letitia, your ignorance is believing that the verses you quote do indeed condemn modern homosexuals.

If you take the time to educate yourself by clicking on the Links I inserted in your comment, you would discover that those verses are not addressed to gay people. Instead, they were addressed to idolaters, most of them heterosexual. We know they were heterosexual because they were married with children. So No, I do not believe God is ignorant. But when people take verses out of context and insist they apply to gays when they didn't refer to gays in context, that is ignorance.

Apr 19, Letitia's final comment by: Anonymous I'm afraid ignorance is twisting the scriptures to justify your sins. The Scriptures apply to us today. God was clear on homosexuality, but that is why he sent Jesus, so that homosexuals wouldn't be stoned just as the adulteress want stoned in the comment you are determined not to post.

There must not be anything for you to slander otherwise you would have posted it. We should no longer live in sin. By you denying that being, which goes against the way God made you and your body, you ate giving in to your fleshly desires and are still worshiping Molech, because if that is what that scripture refers, and yet applies to today then you are trying to worship two gods. Because you twist the scripture you choose to continue in your sin as Romans 6 tells us not to do.

And you are crucifying my Lord all over again. You are slapping him in the face because you say "I accept you Jesus, but I want to keep doing what my flesh wants to do. I do not approve out this website, of course I don't approve of some of these people saying ugly things, including you, and I know because I do have Jesus in my heart and the Holy Spirit guides and is the one who gives me the compassion for people who are trapped in that lifestyle, I know that God is not please with the way you are twisting scripture and ignoring other scriptures because you want to justify your actions Rick's comment: Letitia, you seem to be a typical anti-gay Christian.

You love to make accusations against gays while also accusing us of saying ugly things. You profess to "KNOW" we are living in sin yet you haven't managed to quote any verse which says that in context. Your self-righteous judgmental attitude is showing. In case you are interested, here is the Christian way to judge. Meanwhile, you have not given one verse which in context, addresses the issue of gays going to hell.

This is your fifth and final comment that I've posted and I've deleted another five or six so we'll hear no more from you.

I do hope that at some point, you will get serious in your Bible study and serious in your Christianity. Doing so will radically change your life. Apr 20, Mutual Understanding? Rick's comment: I am saying homosexuality is NOT a sin - please read the website for more information on why it is not sin. Now I'll tell you why I specifically ask this. My step sister is homosexual and has come out already Never have I told her God has made a mistake in her creation or she is condemned to hell, just because she is gay, for who am I to judge?

Now despite your arguments, it is the widely accepted belief, homosexuality is in fact a sin and not in accordance to God's Will. KJV, NIT, NKJV, etc all mention sexual immorality in the same verses because they are translations and not different interpretations in the true sense of the wordand by Nature Homosexuality gets thrown into that pot of sexual immorality. This has been taught for many years all through out the world, in more then just Christianity.

Rick's comment: But they can only teach that by ripping verses out of context and then insisting that the verses mean something they did NOT mean in context. Now I've just brought personal belief, widely accepted belief into the fray, and this site provides your belief, and now only one thing remains. The Bible. Beside the original question I asked I would also like your take on this.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Thank you for your time, and I hope to hear from you soon. God Bless. Apr 20, I know you don't care, but I'm asking anyway by: Anonymous One more question.

Not that you'll answer, you are good at that. But what scriptures are actually taken into context? To me they are pretty straight forward. I don't know how you can read in between the lines so much. It doesn't matter what scripture anyone tells you, you always give them the same answer, "you are not reading those scriptures in context. Then again Christianity isn't supposed to be a "religion" it's a relationship. Rick's comment: I have more than pages of carefully sourced, precisely documented information online here.

I carefully explain each of the clobber passages in detail and provide many links to other websites for those who desire to do more study. I answer your misapplication of these verses there. It goes against the created order of God who created Adam, a man, and then made Eve, a woman.

This is what God has ordained as the normal means by which we carry out his command to fill the earth Gen. What God has set up is what is right -- not what sinful man sets up. Rick's comment: Sadly, it has never occurred to you that some of us have studied these verses and issues far more than you. Instead of parroting what someone told you, why don't you perform due diligence by obeying 2 Tim You'll amazed at what our loving Lord will show you. I hope you will get psychological help for your anger issues.

Apr 23, Yes Homosexuals will go to hell. If you wont enter God's kingdom where else will you go besides hell? Also it says that in 2 Peter that it would be better if you did'nt know Jesus than continue to do the sins you've done before you were saved.

Whether your lesbian or gay it doesn't matter God adresses both. Romans Women who leave the natural use of man will BURN in their own lust towards one another. So will men. It is not my personal opinion that homosexuals will go to hell. It is what God has said and I stand ferm on his word. I'd also like to say that you can be forgiven if your a homosexual.

But you will not be forgiven if dont honestly mean it! Trust me when I say that the only reason that you think your gay is because you have hole your trying to fill. Turn to God when you think all is lost. May God bless you and you find truth.

Love, Anonumous Rick's comment: No sweetie, 1 Cor doesn't mention homosexuals in the original text that Paul wrote. What you believe, that 1 Cor mentions homosexuals, is a belief only 54 years old. Most Christians down the centuries of church history have not believed that because it wasn't in the Bible until Your problem is, you read a verse and assume that the first thought to pop into your head must be absolute truth. Contra that, God commands you to study, 2 Tim When will you obey God's command?

Apr 23, His Truth by: Anonymous Hebrews will answer this question. God made Adam and eve, not Adam and Steve. God also destroyed sodom and gamorah because of sexuals sins which include homosexuals he says homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven. My friend, repent! Jesus Christ will set you free. He loves the sinners but hates the sin. Don't listen to satans lies until its too late for you! God bless Rick's comment: Don't any of you read and study your Bible?

Why do you keep quoting 1 Cor as if it means what you assume, without study, that it means? For almost years, Christians who were NOT gay still did not interpret 1 Cor the way you mis-interpret it. Did it ever occur to you to wonder why? Have you ever considered obeying 2 Tim ?

Apr 24, The Word of God says you are wrong by: Anonymous Even the Orthodox Jewish Bible translates 1 Corinthians as "nor effeminate call boys and homosexuals" "will not inherit the kingdom of God". And the King James says "nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" referring back to Leviticus.

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